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Catafalque' ın yaptığı müzik türü "Doom/Gothic Metal" olarak tanımlanmaktadır. Bununla birlikte, Catafalque' ın müziği klasik Heavy ve Doom Metal elementleri ile otantik melodi ve ezgileri içermektedir. Örnekle tanımlamak gerekirse Paradise Lost, Crematory, Moonspell gibi grupların müzikal yapısı ve The Gathering, Within Temptation, Lacuna Coil gibi bayan vokal ve yoğun klavye kullanan gruplarla aynı tarzda, fakat farklı bir kültürel ,folklorik yapının sentezini oluşturmaktadır.
Günümüzün Catafalque' ı 1997 yılının kışında kuruldu. Fakat şu anki kadro ilk kadro değildir. Aslında, grup aynı isimle 1991 yılında kurulmuştur. Bugün, ilk kadrodan kalan tek eleman Gokhan Orhun Diren (Davul ) dir.
1997 yılının kışında gruba Emir Atay (Gitar) ve 1999 yılının sonbaharında ise Erman Ulus (Bas Gitar) katılmışlardır.
Daha sonra, gruba katılan Metehan Mert Çakır(Vokal) ve Kasım 1999'da gruba katılan Burcu (Soprano Bayan Vokal) ile birlikte grup, uzun yıllardır yaşadığı "vokal" sorununa kalıcı çözüm bulabilmiştir.
Ağustos 2000'de Erman Ulus' un gruptan ayrılması ile Alper Tabakçılar (Bas Gitar) gruba dahil oldu. 2001 Şubat ayında ise Emir Atay (Gitar), haklı sebeplerden dolayı gruptan ayrılmak zorunda olduğunu açıklayınca, grup yerine 2001 Mart' ında yeni bir Emir (Akaydın) buldu.
Bu arada birtakım kişisel anlaşmazlıklar yüzünden Ekim ayı sonlarında Burcu Keskin (Bayan Vokal) gruptan ayrıldı. Yerine bu görevi Özge Özkan devraldı.
Emir Akaydın' ın yoğun iş temposu nedeniyle gruptan ayrılmasıyla, Catafalque artık yeni bir gitarist almamayı kararlaştırdı ve yoluna toplam altı kişi ve tek gitar (Arın Baykurt) ile devam etme kararı aldı.
Fakat sadece konserler için -ek eleman olarak- "Soul Sacrifice" tan da tanıdığımız Feyzi Ocak gruba dahil oldu. Ve 2002 Mart'ı itibariyle grup şu anki kadrosunu oluşturdu.

Catafalque ' ın şu anki kadrosu aşağıdaki gibidir:

Metehan Mert CAKIR Vokal
Özge Özkan Vokal
Arin BAYKURT Gitar & Geri Vokal
Alper TABAKCILAR Bas Gitar
Serhan DIREN Klavye & Piyano
Gokhan Orhun DIREN Davul
Feyzi OCAK Gitar (Additional)

Grubun tüm şarkı sözleri Gokhan Orhun Diren tarafından yazılmaktadır. Fakat son dönemde yapılmış olan yeni şarkılarda Metehan Mert Çakır ve Alper Tabakçılar' ın da yazmış olduğu sözleri bulunan grup, şarkı sözlerinde gotik romantizm, gotik öyküler, aşk, hüzün ve melankoli gibi konuları işlemektedir. Grubun tüm şarkıları kendilerine aittir.

Catafalque, 16 Ocak 2000 tarihinde Yunan Gotik Metal grubu Rotting Christ ile Kemancı'da "Depremzedeler Yararına" düzenlenen konserde sahne aldı.
Uzun süren bir aradan sonra Mayıs 2001'de "Mimar Sinan Üniversitesi Bahar Şenliği" sahne alan grup, Ekim 2001'de "Never To Be Buried" isimli EP' yi piyasaya çıkardı. Grubun dört şarkısının bulunduğu EP tanıtım amacıyla 100 adet basıldı ve kısa sürede tükendi. Bu EP' den sonra grup ismini daha fazla duyurmaya başladı.
"Köstebek Müzik" in düzenlediği , Kemancı' da Ocak 2002 tarihinde düzenlenen, Almora ve Surveillance' ın da yeraldığı konser sahne aldı.

En son olarak grup, Ankara'da düzenlenen ve 2 gün boyunca süren 5.Rockstation Festivali'nin 2.günü başarılı bir sahne performansı sergiledi.
Grup "Never To Be Buried" isimli EP' nin 2.basımını "Limited Edition" olarak ve EP'nin ilk basımına göre, içinde TRT2' de yayınlanan "Rock Market" programındaki sahne görüntülerinden oluşan , "L.O.V.E" isimli şarkılarının video' su ve grubun bir wallpaper' ını ekleyerek piyasaya sürdü. Tüm Türkiye'de 5 ayrı şehirde ve 9 ayrı noktada satışa sunulan EP, grubun internet sitesine gelen mesaj ve yorumlara göre, dinleyici tarafından olumlu tepkiler aldı.

Catafalque , bundan sonraki dönem içerisinde ilk albümünü kaydetmeyi ve piyasaya sürmeyi planlıyor. Şu an grubun kaydedilmeye hazır tam 15 şarkısı bulunmakta...

Konu ile ilgili olarak, ilk etapta Türkiye'deki firmalar daha sonra ise yurtdışı bağlantılarını kullanarak bu olayı gerçekleştirmeyi amaçlıyor.
Ayrıca grubun şu anki diğer büyük hedefi ise, Avrupa'da birçok değişik festivalde ve birçok değişik grupla sahne almak...


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Archangel's Touch
In the nights swallowed by darkness
You sleep down in your unlit room
Cold tears were running down from your cheek

Remember and never ever forget
Just a little prayer through your ears
That takes our your soul from the deep
When the archangel touched your shoulders

Touch me, it makes me happy
Embrace me, it takes me to the light
Kiss me, it makes me stronger
Save me ı know only you could break my chains

I don't sell my soul to those
Who are fed by nightmares
I trust you forever with my prayers
Those are the words coming from my heart

Remember and never ever forget
Just a little prayer through your ears
That takes our your soul from the deep
When the archangel touched your shoulders

Touch me, it makes me happy
Embrace me, it takes me to the light
Kiss me, it makes me stronger
Save me ı know only you could break my chains
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 6:58 pm

Ballerina
Dusty scent in the room
Bewitched your heart
Fading smiles of your past
Blended on your child face
Somehow tricked and captured
İn the cobwebs of the time that passed by

Ballerina, day and night
Drifting in black water
For you the day starts
With moonlight
Ballerina, who's scared of loneliness
Not love loaded with all that burden

The mists inside veiled your sights
Will someone break away
That damned curtain!
So that you might be able to see
What invaded your way home
Ballerina!
All spiders or dragonflies?

You're lost in that water
As cold as your heart
Watch the reflections
Of your lines on the sky
Day and night, this water absorbing
That dismal blackness from where?
From the fading day
This sleeping sky sky or from you?




Söz: Özge Özkan
Müzik: Arın Baykurt
Albüm: Dialectique
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 6:59 pm

Blamed
From the scars on my forehead
İt was understood you had left
From my swollen eyes, my tears
Unwanted wait stuck my inside
Only your name is left
İt's carved into souls

If the end is being without you
I'm the whipped angel
Oh my ears! don't hear
My eyes! don't see
If the end is being without you
And i'm just a stranger
The end is your loss
And you're my endless

I fooled no one
My ending is near
I blamed no one
I'm the one to blame!

Complaining is meaningless now
Stand up and go on! breathe!
What's out there is not air
Though it only smells of vanishing




Söz: Metehan Mert Çakır
Müzik: Arın Baykurt
Albüm: Dialectique
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:00 pm

Bloodia (A Raven In The Night)
The flame of the night was shinning in your eyes
There on your lips, a bloody smile
Full of fear and you were so scared
You were sitting down, next to the wall

Merciless as a wild wolf
And glamorous as a wild rose
I have the rage and lust in my eyes
Bloodia

A raven flies away through
Never taste the death
In the deepness of the night
Instead of eternal life
Maybe it carries your soul
For ages suffered and tired
To the light of dark fright
Never sleep never leave me alone
In my all dark dreams
Never tell me a lie never and ever
And all screams in my sleep
Nights cries out your name
Your name echoes in my brain
Always

Merciless as a wild wolf
And glamorous as a wild rose
I have the rage and lust in my eyes
Bloodia

Sunlight's gone far away
Hid yourself under wings of the night
Tastes all desires behind black veil
You, always real flame of the night

Blood is the life, blood is water of the flesh
Nights always became cold, will be colder
Empress of the night never likes the sun
Hides into the night before it comes down
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Bringer Of The Night
You were the only light
İn the dark of the night
The only truth inside of me
The source of life
I embraced loneliness
To stay with you
I defended the darkness
From the mystery of your light

You were the only night in life
The truth in my life
I defended misery
To be able to stay in the light
You were the only night in life
The source in me
I embraced the black
To be able to alone with you

My side is not safe anymore
And it could not be after you!
I defended loneliness to
Stay in dark
I embraced the light
From your your mystery

I do not fear disappreance
I do not fear existence




Söz: Metehan Mert Çakır
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Albüm: Dialectique
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Butterfly Inside
I betrayed the pain and
Patience i intended to bring
Wisdom back to my lair
Though it is already and always in
Hence, i've lost it once again

Some illusions in my mind
Of these days
And a sour taste of
Grape in my mouth
From my skin, something
That makes the curtains dance
Used to steal your warmth

Persistent thoughts were around
Make me forget the time passing by
Nor the words are spending my time

Don't care about other's
Loud lullabies
I sing my song for the first time
Let me come up with
Something new inside
Don't be scared of what i'll find
Either it may be a pearl
That lives on pain
Or a silent butterfly inside




Söz: Özge Özkan
Müzik: Arın Baykurt
Albüm: Dialectique
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Dreamweaver
When you close your eyes, my mother said
You can imagine, you can draw your dreams
And also you could see me

Above the clouds ı've got a throne
To watch the people on the earth
Plans raising, mercy has gone
Dreams ending, no more

How do you stay alive
Don't you come closer to me
You got a place near me
To reign all eternity

I am the one who starts the life
From the east
I am the one who ends the life
From the west

I am the one who shapes the nature
I am the one who grows the trees
I am the one who creates the rivers
I am the one who reigns the dreams
I am the one who paints the skies blue
I am the dreamweaver
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Gomorrah (Eyes Of Wrath)
I am lot, remember me
The lot, remember him
I saw, ı told
He saw, he told
I shown
You didn't behold
He shown, they didn't behold
Living in the sinful lands, dying by the hand of god
I warned you all before
Messenger warned us all before
I beckoned the eternal war
He summoned for eternal war

Laws are always eternal
Lawyer is god
When the world goes astray
Sinners craved our blood

While god punishded
Their eyes filled with fears
When god devours
They drowned in the bloody tears

Green fields turned to desert
By the hand of doom, eyes of demise
Detestable things cannot be concealed
By god's immortal eyes

Gomorrah shame on you
You're the cradle of sin
Gomorrah shame on you
Your end is begining
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Hallowed Lands
I am ancient land
I was your lost dream

This land created own gods
Where the dreams flashed up
She existed within sins
They obey to their own fears

She was there since many years
She would writhe when her nation weeps
She is still there to see we kill each of us
She would avenge while she will distrust

She would see our bloody battles
She heard the voice of scythes
She would give us the food to satisfy
She took our souls to purify

I had burnt a torch
With your never-ending flame
To our end we approach
We will never be within shame

I am ancient land
I was your lost dream
Hallows you when
Your eyes still bleed

I am ancient land
She's your lost dream
Hallows you when
Your heart is still bleeding
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L.o.v.e (Legacy Of Virgin Eve)
From adam to still unborns
First for eve, last for who knows
Most unbelievable thing in the soul
Mother of all sins, starter of pain
Flows from heart to veins
Like the poison in the fang of a snake

In the life or in the death
Enjoy your love at all times
In loneliness or when you fall in love
It never ends even you die

Love like yours and mine
Both of us will shine
In a childhood or in youth
Crying or dying and killing
Suffering or leaving and going away
No-one can hide, no-one ever will

In the life or in the death
Enjoy your love at all times
In loneliness or when you fall in love
It never ends even you die
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Lust & Innocence
Darkness breeds in my eyes
While the love becomes, innocence dies
Until you arise to my spirit
I couldn't realise how bright your eyes
(like me)

Lust ı want, blood ı drink
Love ı feel, they are yours
Hate ı hate, love ı love
Death ı kill, more and more

I waited for you to love me each day ı lived
But there was just one way to exit
And to die to reach my pains
I am in a maze within dark reflections

Lust ı want, blood ı drink
Love ı feel, they are yours
Hate ı hate, love ı love
Death ı kill, more and more

Life appears me, as an illusion
My breast was sealed by evil
No more innocence, no temptation
I am in maze, my precious

Lust ı want, blood ı drink
Love ı feel, they are yours
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Nightfall Serenade
Sun downs, moon shines
Nightfall rises to the skies
Stars shine, night comes down
Black as if bereaved of light

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall

Life has taken back all my loves
From my heart and my soul
I have never fallen on my knees
I'll never see the nightfall

I was an island in the middle of the ocean
Till the death discovers me
I was the darkness in the sun
Till the moonlit recovers me

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall
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Nightfall Serenade
Sun downs, moon shines
Nightfall rises to the skies
Stars shine, night comes down
Black as if bereaved of light

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall

Life has taken back all my loves
From my heart and my soul
I have never fallen on my knees
I'll never see the nightfall

I was an island in the middle of the ocean
Till the death discovers me
I was the darkness in the sun
Till the moonlit recovers me

I'm dying there
Whenever you will die
Death will take us together
Over nightfall
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Seasons
I feel inside a thousand clouds
Slowly wander through my winter
Which seperates me
From your meadows getting further

Unusualness has covered the sky
Your scent has taken
Captive my brain
The gallows has hung my soul
Time's erased me
You remained

Without you life won't be green again,
Worth to see again
The clouds will remain black
As i am hanging my own soul
The seasons will be your time
They will blow as your lifetime

My soul suffocated on
The gallows of death
I bore loneliness
I heaved loneliness on my back again
As time was changing its seasons
I was buried for you
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Shadow, My Secret Soul
Out of the dark
I have another soul, reflecting to the wall
Just my shadow always follows me
From the weak light of candle
Through the cold light of moon

When darkness covered me around
An eternal friend, ı found
Onto my head when the light comes
Sorrow ends by hyde becomes
Won't you ever forsake to follow?
Won't you never hurt my hear?
Don't you ever leave me alone?
Don't you ever forgive me?

Into the light
Following someone's behind
Through to dawn of every morning
Shadows hide, never find
Until the sunlight shining

Over the wall ı ever saw you
Behind the curtains of the night
In cascaded darkness ı wait for you
Since many years of light

Won't you ever forsake to follow?
Won't you never hurt my hear?
Don't you ever leave me alone?
Don't you ever forgive me?

Out of the dark
I have another soul, reflecting to the wall
Just my shadow always follows me
From the weak light of candle
Through the cold light of moon

Into the light
Following someone's behind
Through to dawn of every morning
Shadows hide, never find
Until the sunlight shining
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Sharper Than The Blade
Under the shining stars
Which are like glaring diamonds
Did we only come to die
Like a short-life butterfly?

So this is the world of pains
All shadows are hidden in darkness
I've got the light for you
While the sun is getting darker
There will be pain again
There will be the shades of fate
We will hear so many screams
I see the life sharper than the blade

At the end of all wars
Under the sun we warm
Could we understand who had won?
Or why we have born?

In our nightmares
We had seen it before

(over the fully rain clouds, none of ys will ever taste the
Eternity, at the hall of time, all of us will weave our own shrouds)
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:20 pm

The Ordeal
Don't heed the whips
Flogging your back
Think of what you didn't do
Although you had the chance
Don't let them get you
The truth or not

If you feel death's cold
Wings on your face
If you feel loneliness
The time has come to face
To use the ace up your sleeve
And to fight the circumstances
To get what's yours back

Close yourself to what brings sorrow
Don't feel the pain they deal
Lock them far away from you
Don't heed the pain in your soul

Turn your back on everyone
There is only you in this life
Think of what you couldn't do
When there was
Don't heed the whips
Flogging your back!
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:21 pm

The Soothsayer
Let me tell you the truth of it all
He sees the future of the world
No more lies in his eyes
As pure as new bride

He has strenth in his mind
Enough as destroy all mankind
He has a fate like others
He tries to save us from this life

In the dark temples of evil
Demons wander among us
He saw all of the heathens
Darkness never takes his soul and mind

Soothsayer's staying silent
As the painful scream of moth
Who it gnaws the rotten wood

He had injured nobody else
He should prove who he as
We would learn what he meant
When he came back as the destiny

In the dark temples of evil
Demons wander among us
He saw all of the heathens
Darkness never takes his soul and mind
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:22 pm

The Wells Of My Heart
My tears flowing towards the sea of sadness
God sent us onto the earth
We all began crying, since our birth

I heard too many melodies for a lifetime
And listened the silence of the nights
There was always the sadness in my heart
Overflows by the cries

Eyes are wells of the heart
Every soul is a river
And it ends where it flows through the ocean
Ocean is the eternity made by silver

Every lullaby ı heard
Is the messenger of a new born
It cries...
Tears flow from its coral eyes

Secret of the soul appears
When the veil of my mystery opens
Shows me the sadness & the sorrow
Deep inside my heart

Eyes are wells of the heart
Every soul is a river
And it ends where it flows through the ocean
Ocean is the eternity made by silver
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:23 pm

Together With All The Pain
The world continues to shrink
You are in it or not
I do know everyone
Has to feel loneliness
Are we the ones who create this
Or am i just swirling in the air
What is already there
Together with all the pain

I can steal the pain in your heart
I steal in the running night
I swim in the lakes of tears
On your face

Be the only sound in silence
And let me be your voice forever
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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:25 pm

Red Lights
You! the woman wandering
Under the red lights
The sidewalks of these streets
Are used to your high heels
Are you truly in myself
Or am i your other half?
You! the woman crying
And hiding in darkness
Though there is a lot loving you
Why this weariness
Are you truly in myself
Or am i your other half?
You must believe in me
You must believe in you
It is me in the clouds
That are around you
You are not alone! ı'm alone!
You are stolen from me
My heart is stolen by you
I'll never forget about you
You are not alone! ı'm alone!
You! the woman embroidering
And writing pain on my core
My silver... my blade...
And you are to die for
Are you truly in myself
Otherwise i'm your other half
You must believe in me
You must believe in you
It is me in the clouds
That are around you
You are not alone! ı'm alone!
You are stolen from me
My heart is stolen by you
I'll never forget about you
You are not alone! ı'm alone!
You can't deny
The emptiness in your heart
Temptation in your past
You're made for love by my god
And ı am for you!




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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:26 pm

Crimson Dust
I wouldn't realize
That this could happen
You abondened this world
That's full of lies

You left your dreams to me
You left this burden
Was that a punishment to yourself
Or just for me?

But now i'm standing
On a desolate hill
And weeping at the damned truth
That i lost you

Why? you're laying down
The place within roses
I believe your innocent soul
Has ascended to heaven

There's just one memory
Left from you
The crimson dust of your bed
İn my hands
Lack of yours and its grief
Hidden in my tears

Ashes to ashes
Dust to crimson dust
Your bed turns to red
From your hair
Thousands of stars
On your shadow in the sky
Moonlight is the blaze of your eyes

But now i'm standing
On a desolate hill
And winds are whispering
Your name into my ears




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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimePerş. Ekim 18, 2007 7:28 pm

Fading Beauty
The rain, inspired by your tears is crying
By all their youth and dancing around,
The crowd's with you
At last sleeping

Let your sorrow
Through my eyes
And never dry out
Then seperate yourself
İnto seven colours
So that you may rise up to the sky
And let your core see your rebirth
Let the moons fall in love with you
And with every single moon
Let a brand new day begin

Time the stealer of beauty
Has stuck you with an arrow
You're bleeding
All your self-confidence and jealousy
Concealed in the debris within
Flow! flow through my eyes
And never stop crying woman!




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MesajKonu: Geri: catafalque   catafalque Icon_minitimeC.tesi Ekim 20, 2007 6:01 pm

abı ben bu gruba bylıormmm saooll bılgeee=)
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